that is the kind of reform we are proposing for medicare. [applause] >> as i said before, this is entirely a legitimate proposal. the problem is two-fold. one is that depending on how it is structured, if recipients are suddenly getting a plan that has the reimbursement rates going like this but health care costs are still going up like that, then over time, the way we are saving money is essentially by capping what they are getting relative to their costs. i just want to point out -- this brings me to my second problem. will made a very modest proposal as part of our package, our health care reform package, to eliminate the subsidies for medicare advantage, we were attacked across the board by many in your andaisle for slashing medicaid. we will start cutting benefits for seniors, that was the senior. -- the story. it scared the dickens out of a lot of seniors. look. here is my point. if the main question is going to be what do we do about medicare costs, any proposal that paul makes will be made actually from the perspective of those they